Aucklanders slam mayor's rail plans

[geoff_184]

From here in Swanson, I can hear 129 climbing both the Avondale and then Kingsland banks, when the breeze is right. The other way, can hear 124/129 as far out as the Kumeu.

[doloras]

On a still morning, I can hear the horns from Ponsonby.

[locost_bryan]

I have heard a Ja whistle on a Sunday at home before - and I live about a kilometre away from the railway line. Back when I was at Uni, I would sometimes hear a DC accelerating while waiting at the Princes Street/Waterloo Quadrant/Kitchener Street/Bowen Avenue lights.

That's pretty much in a direct line from the Parnell bank, so you'd hear a DC climbing up to the tunnel (possibly reflected too).

[rail_up]

The CRL will, like the rest of the Auckland network, be electrified. This means quiet, pollution-free trains. No smog, poisonous fumes, belching smoke or loud noises on the streets or in areas where pedestrians are walking etc.

Quiet have you never been anywhere near and electric train, they may be quietish in the station but once moving they are just as noisy as diesels, the loudest noise is the steel wheels on steel tracks. I don't think there's much if any difference in noise between diesel and electric once the trains are in motion.

I've been around many electric trains - and the noise levels (in absolute dB - A weighted) are significantly lower than any diesel hauled service. The issue is not so much about noise itself, but particular frequencies and the amplitude and duration of those.
Higher frequencies such as those produced by the flanges squealing on the tracks do not cause the same 'pollution' effects as the low frequency noises produced by diesel engines.

[locost_bryan]

[Higher frequencies such as those produced by the flanges squealing on the tracks do not cause the same 'pollution' effects

Unless you live on the Johnsonville line.

[Riggles]

Why are they last 3 pages of this thread talking about noisy trains? I don't recall that being one of the Mayors plans.
If your going to go off topic you could at least talk about Halal meat.

[eurokiwi78]

Why are they last 3 pages of this thread talking about noisy trains? I don't recall that being one of the Mayors plans.
If your going to go off topic you could at least talk about Halal meat.

What were the respective mayoral candidates' policies towards Halal meat?

[doloras]

Knowing John Banks, he would preach loudly about the wickedness of Islam while owning a chain of halal butcheries.

[Riggles]

What were the respective mayoral candidates' policies towards Halal meat?

As I recall old man Brown wanted to have the first and last carriage of each train to be exclusive for Halal meat and free range eggs, and passengers of course.

Knowing John Banks, he would preach loudly about the wickedness of Islam while owning a chain of halal butcheries.

Just remember he didn't lie, he just forgot that he attends the local Mosque 4 times a day.

[eurokiwi78]

Knowing John Banks, he would preach loudly about the wickedness of Islam while owning a chain of halal butcheries.

Whilst accepting annonymous donations from AFFCO.

[Riggles]

Shock news again for old man Brown

Two-thirds oppose mayor's proposal for rates increases

Aucklanders are not impressed by Mayor Len Brown's plans to increase rates by nearly 5 per cent a year over the next decade, nor do they want him to extend the Manukau policy of free swimming pools in Manukau to the rest of the Super City.

One can only assume that the other third did not understand the question or did not respond.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/super-city/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501110&objectid=10802364

[kaiwhara]

And you arrived at this assumption how?

[Riggles]

And you arrived at this assumption how?

Well if people are asked the question, "would you like to pay 5% more in your rates?" the number of people what would go "oh yes please that sounds like a great idea, can you charge me 10% more?" would be next to none.

They would also most likely say, "I pay enough in rates and taxes already, why don't you just stop paying the politicians so much and then we would have more than enough money".

[eurokiwi78]

Knowing John Banks, he would preach loudly about the wickedness of Islam while owning a chain of halal butcheries.

Just remember he didn't lie, he just forgot that he attends the local Mosque 4 times a day.

How can he be expected to remember when he is already busy flying the helicopter and negotiating discount hotels at the same time.

[Andrew]

And you arrived at this assumption how?

Well if people are asked the question, "would you like to pay 5% more in your rates?" the number of people what would go "oh yes please that sounds like a great idea, can you charge me 10% more?" would be next to none.

They would also most likely say, "I pay enough in rates and taxes already, why don't you just stop paying the politicians so much and then we would have more than enough money".

The more intelligent amongst us would ask "What are those rates being spent on" rather than being entirely self-centred about it.

[Riggles]

The more intelligent amongst us would ask "What are those rates being spent on" rather than being entirely self-centred about it.

Even once told however most people would be of the opinion that the amount they currently pay in taxes and rates is more than enough. Every time in the past people have been given the choice of more money in their pocket or the greater good the majority have gone for their own pocket.

[jarbury]

I may be mistaken but I am pretty sure rate increases were much higher under the old Councils. Plus we can at least count ourselves lucky not to live in the Kaipara District.

[Riggles]

I may be mistaken but I am pretty sure rate increases were much higher under the old Councils. Plus we can at least count ourselves lucky not to live in the Kaipara District.

The thing is old man Brown came into power on the promise he would not increase rates other than the area wide calibration they did to get everyone paying rates on a level playing field. Now he is asking for more money to make the city better which is fine by me, but as we can see 2/3 people don't support the idea and the other 1/3 its unknown what their thoughts are.

[jarbury]

I think he said something like "around the level of inflation".

[KiwiRob]

Looks like Brown's chances for re-election are looking worse as time goes on.