New Matangi EMUs

[keg]

Quantity: 48 2-car units
Supplier: Hyundai Rotem / Mitsui
Delivery: from 2010


(pic from wiki)


Some info from another thread:

Some info on Wellingtons Matangi EMUs: Matangi fact sheet [PDF].

Credit to erentz on SkyscraperCity who extracted it from GWRC and uploaded it (GW has sod all info on their website about the new EMUs).

Motor carriage interior:


Low floor area of trailer carriage:

[Gonzalez]

I'm very glad to see multiple wheelchair-designated areas and an area for bicycles. I hope that the overhead shelf is deep enough.

[jarbury]

Delivery from next year - anyone know WHEN next year?

[pickle]

They should just order these for Auckland just double the order NOW!

[john-ston]

They should just order these for Auckland just double the order NOW!

Louis, our platforms are constructed differently to those of Wellington to start off with (not that they are much higher - why on earth didn't someone consider making Auckland's platforms at least 900mm, if not a metre), and also, Auckland would need different electronics given that we are using the more internationally standard 25kV AC.

I still say that we should go with EDI Bombardier and tack an order onto something by QR or Transperth.

[keg]

The platform height is not really a big issue - the low floor section of the Matangi is 730mm above rail (see fact sheet fig. 3) while Auckland's standard platform height is 750mm. I wouldn't think the 20mm difference would be that hard to change.

Still don't know what the logic behind 730mm low floor and 680mm platforms for Wellington is though ...

[geoff_184]

I see they are looking at developing/fitting automatic adjustable height steps on the new Tranz Scenic carriages. Platform heights won't be an issue for those cars.

[Wannabe_Train_Driver]

As I hope to work for KiwiRail,I hope to drive one of the Maitangi Units or Ganz Mavag Units

[nzqf182]

They should just order these for Auckland just double the order NOW!

Please no i want EDI Bombardier's EMU's.

The Matangi's are so ungly & the inside isnt much better i would rather the cabin floor to be all one level. What is the inter car connection like its not shown the drawings expect from the drivers cab door.

The platform height is not really a big issue - the low floor section of the Matangi is 730mm above rail (see fact sheet fig. 3) while Auckland's standard platform height is 750mm. I wouldn't think the 20mm difference would be that hard to change.

Still don't know what the logic behind 730mm low floor and 680mm platforms for Wellington is though ...

Keg the chaos it would cause lowering all the platforms in Auckland. Remember we are keeping the SA sets for another 15 years or so, they are going to reduce the amount of seats to make them into 6 & 8 car sets for peak services that will be hauled by a mix of diesel & electric loco.

I find the Britomart platforms to be just perfect for the SA cars.

[keg]

^^
750mm is the standard platform height for Auckland. Britomart platforms are slight higher (800-850mm IIRC) and the height will be adjusted.

From ARTA's EMU EOI document:

On a four car unit, at least 50% of the doors will provide level access step free boarding and
movement within the car to their seat or wheelchair space at a height of 750mm ARL, for passengers
that would require assistance on stairs, and disabled passenger access.

[TechnicianX]

The Matangi's are so ungly & the inside isnt much better i would rather the cabin floor to be all one level. What is the inter car connection like its not shown the drawings expect from the drivers cab door.

They completely ruined the design when it was revised, I really didn't mind the earlier look. Hopefully nothing of the sort will happen here

[keg]

They completely ruined the design when it was revised, I really didn't mind the earlier look. Hopefully nothing of the sort will happen here

If Auckland does end up with a Matangi derivative, it would probably look quite different as gangways between units are not required.

[pickle]

They should just order these for Auckland just double the order NOW!

Louis, our platforms are constructed differently to those of Wellington to start off with (not that they are much higher - why on earth didn't someone consider making Auckland's platforms at least 900mm, if not a metre), and also, Auckland would need different electronics given that we are using the more internationally standard 25kV AC.

I still say that we should go with EDI Bombardier and tack an order onto something by QR or Transperth.

Sorry I wasn't really thinking when I wrote that post

[nzqf182]

They completely ruined the design when it was revised, I really didn't mind the earlier look. Hopefully nothing of the sort will happen here

If Auckland does end up with a Matangi derivative, it would probably look quite different as gangways between units are not required.

But we can get plug and play EDI Bombardier from there Queensland plant, we would not need to change anything. They pretty much met everything that the tender doc asks for.

[keg]

^^ Level boarding at 750mm above rail? Not if you're talking about the units they build for Perth and Brizzy (floor height at approx 1100mm).

(I'm not saying EDI/Bombardier can't build them like that - they obviously can as they were short listed for the Wellington job - just that it wouldn't be off the shelf.)

[nzqf182]

^^ Level boarding at 750mm above rail? Not if you're talking about the units they build for Perth and Brizzy (floor height at approx 1100mm).

(I'm not saying EDI/Bombardier can't build them like that - they obviously can as they were short listed for the Wellington job - just that it wouldn't be off the shelf.)

As a sweetener EDI/Bombardier could offer to make the platforms higher as part of the deal.

We use the ADL's with no problems at the moment now there boarding high would be around 1000mm

[keg]

^^ I think the floor height for the ADLs is about 1100 too. I agree that high floors and high platforms are better, but that's not happening here (unfortunately). I suspect the 750mm platform height was chosen in the best NZ tradition of doing it on the cheap.

The requirement for level boarding goes with the requirement of being capable of driver only operation - otherwise they would not meet accessibility standards (no TM/Guard to deploy a ramp). In summary any EMU from any manufacturer for Auckland will have a low floor section like the Matangi EMUs (in two cars out of four car unit).

[pass22]

keg wrote

^^ I think the floor height for the ADLs is about 1100 too. I agree that high floors and high platforms are better, but that's not happening here (unfortunately). I suspect the 750mm platform height was chosen in the best NZ tradition of doing it on the cheap.

The requirement for level boarding goes with the requirement of being capable of driver only operation - otherwise they would not meet accessibility standards (no TM/Guard to deploy a ramp). In summary any EMU from any manufacturer for Auckland will have a low floor section like the Matangi EMUs (in two cars out of four car unit).

That's what happens when Kiwi Rail is involved.

[rmccon]

Are portable ramps carried on trains in NZ? In Brisbane there is a portable ramp in the driver's cab that the guard just unfolds and lays down when wheelchairs, elderley, etc are struggling to get up the step from platform to train. They seem to work well with minimun delay to services.

[nzqf182]

Are portable ramps carried on trains in NZ? In Brisbane there is a portable ramp in the driver's cab that the guard just unfolds and lays down when wheelchairs, elderley, etc are struggling to get up the step from platform to train. They seem to work well with minimun delay to services.

All of the trains in Auckland carry a ramp at one end on the set, it is a rather tricky ramps to use.