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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby c46andc47 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:54 am

mclgnd wrote:Thanks for the background story. I knew most of that but not all.


One of the problems when talking about the EE sets is terminology. The following is for my benefit but it may be of interest to others.

The trains we are talking about are English Electric EMUs. The have been known to Wellingtonians for as long as I can remember as the "units".

The original units were two car and were painted blue. Later, possibly as a war time economy measure, they were repainted in what I consider to be the traditional red colour.

The units came in two and three car formations. Two car set could run anywhere in the Wellington network; the three cars were not permitted on the Jville, presumably because of insufficient power to get up the hill. Originally there was a cab in the dog box so one car trains were possible and there probably are photos of a one car set on the Jville.

In the 1980s some two car sets were upgraded for Johnsonville services. As well as new wiring they were given an olive paint scheme to match the Ganz Mavags. These sets are referred to as the Jvilles. The remaining sets with original wiring worked on the Hutt line. They were not repainted so became known as the red sets. It is possible that originally all sets were known as "reds", I am not sure, but I think that the term "unit" was more common.

I do not know if it was by design or accident but the red sets were all three cars so compatibility with the Jville sets was not an issue.

In 2002 there was a proposal to scrap all Hutt red sets apart from two for Melling services. Fortunately that did not happen. Then the GWRC decide to upgrade the red sets and they were repainted blue - hence the term blue red-set :D The exception was a three car set that was the only set that had the original large headlights. This was repainted in traditional red and called Cyclops. A short while later it was deemed unsafe for trains to run without yellow front ends and so Cyclops was modified accordingly. Grrrr!!!!!!!

The Jville sets were also re-painted blue, taking them back to the original colour of the Johnsonville units, although probably not the same shade.

Then along came Robyn (Ferrymead, large headlight) and Phoenix (re-built derelict) - they are both red-sets.

In January 2012, about 75 years after EE units first entered service, the operational EE fleet is:

Jville sets 4
3-car blue red-sets 2
Robyn 2-car red-set (with large headlight)
Phoenix 2-car red-set

Cyclops 3-car red-set with large headlight. Currently at Hutt Shops. Fate unknown.

Note that 6 sets are required for peak Jville services so that is why Robyn and Phoenix are helping out.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Flippikat » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:23 pm

c46andc47 wrote:In January 2012, about 75 years after EE units first entered service, the operational EE fleet is:

Jville sets 4
3-car blue red-sets 2
Robyn 2-car red-set (with large headlight)
Phoenix 2-car red-set

Cyclops 3-car red-set with large headlight. Currently at Hutt Shops. Fate unknown.

Note that 6 sets are required for peak Jville services so that is why Robyn and Phoenix are helping out.


Thanks for that - it really clears up a lot of confusion.

You say that 6 sets are required for Jville peak services - I guess they have more than enough Matangi, just waiting for certification & staff training for the "big switchover". :)

I suppose by March (if that's still the target month), there may even be another 6 Matangi units cleared for service - so Matangi numbers on the Hutt & Kapiti lines could temporarily dip to about what they are right now?
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby keg » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:38 pm

Airlie Road bridge replacement saga rumbles on.
Airlie Rd bridge budget blowout
BY KRIS DANDO
17/01/2012

Who knew such a small bridge could cause such a large headache?

The replacement of Airlie Rd bridge in Plimmerton has ballooned to $1.92 million, exceeding the original budget by $800,000, with re- tendering, increased piling costs, a footpath provision, consent requirements from KiwiRail and construction cost inflation contributing to the blowout.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Daniel » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:50 pm

keg wrote:Airlie Road bridge replacement saga rumbles on.
Airlie Rd bridge budget blowout
BY KRIS DANDO
17/01/2012

Who knew such a small bridge could cause such a large headache?

The replacement of Airlie Rd bridge in Plimmerton has ballooned to $1.92 million, exceeding the original budget by $800,000, with re- tendering, increased piling costs, a footpath provision, consent requirements from KiwiRail and construction cost inflation contributing to the blowout.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Matt L » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:33 pm

I would also take a guess and say that if it ever got to the point where passenger services couldn't be increased any further due to congestion on the lines caused by freight trains due to there not being a third main then he would be one of those slaming Kiwirail for not thinking ahead.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby geoff_184 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:59 pm

Matt L wrote:I would also take a guess and say that if it ever got to the point where passenger services couldn't be increased any further due to congestion on the lines caused by freight trains due to there not being a third main then he would be one of those slaming Kiwirail for not thinking ahead.


The problem there is that KiwiRail is not required to cater for the requirements of the urban passenger trains, and neither are the local transport authorities (AT / GWRC) required to look out for freight train requirements, so the planning often doesn't line up. Case in point, the third main in Auckland is a KiwiRail freight project, so it won't be electrified. This means express EMU services overtaking all-stoppers still won't be possible even though a third track will be available most of the time.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Matt L » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:08 pm

geoff_184 wrote:
Matt L wrote:I would also take a guess and say that if it ever got to the point where passenger services couldn't be increased any further due to congestion on the lines caused by freight trains due to there not being a third main then he would be one of those slaming Kiwirail for not thinking ahead.


The problem there is that KiwiRail is not required to cater for the requirements of the urban passenger trains, and neither are the local transport authorities (AT / GWRC) required to look out for freight train requirements, so the planning often doesn't line up. Case in point, the third main in Auckland is a KiwiRail freight project, so it won't be electrified. This means express EMU services overtaking all-stoppers still won't be possible even though a third track will be available most of the time.

I'm only hypothesising as to if it ever came to that, I imaging that it would still be a long time before we get to the point of needing a third main through that section of the Wellington network. In saying that with the change in operating models that is happening i.e. regions have to pay the full TAC costs (something Wellington hasn't had to do at all in the past), Kiwirail won't be able to just focus on their own business. They are being paid to provide a level of service and if they can't do that then there should be consequences for that. I don't know what is happening in Wellington but in Auckland I'm pretty sure Kiwirail and they would be well aware of what AT's ambitions for passenger services are as I imagine they do work together quite a bit.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby keg » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:11 pm

Update from GWRC Report 12.13:
4.11 Kapiti stations
Work has now been completed by contractors to control water leaks at the Paraparaumu station subway caused by the water table and membrane issues. Some adjustments to water drainage and wall linings have been completed to effect control, with the situation being continually monitored. The wall tiling and floor levelling work has now been completed.

4.12 Station upgrade work
Over the Christmas block of line work was carried out at Kenepuru station to strengthen the platform and resurface paved areas. The work is now complete.

Design concepts continue to be developed for Naenae station with positive outcomes for the heritage features, ease of maintenance and anti vandalism. Works are expected to start in the first quarter of 2012 and be completed by 30 June 2012.

Officers had been preparing to replace the roof covering on the Tawa station building, but this work has been put on hold due to the poor condition of the overall building. Investigations have revealed extensive damage in the roof framing, the exterior cladding, internal wall framing and the foundation supports. The extent of the floor damage is shown by one side of the building 100mm lower due the pilings being rotten and of no support. Officers are reviewing the latest report in order to make recommendations as to the future of the building.

Couple of Kenepuru post upgrade photos in the report.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby keg » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:10 pm

Award for Porirua station.
Accolade for Porirua train station spruce-up
BY KRIS DANDO
06/03/2012

Porirua train station has received yet another award for its million- dollar upgrade, this time recognising its "wow" effect on pedestrians.

At its annual conference, Living Streets Aotearoa awarded the upgrade project the Golden Foot Award for Best Walking Project, recognising a business or organisation that has made a significant difference to encourage more walking.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby eurokiwi78 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:43 am

Interesting, I can think of a lot nicer stations in the region than Porirua!

And also a lot worse. Id like to see a covered walkway between Porirua Station and the Shopping Mall for those not so nice days.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby keg » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:37 pm

eurokiwi78 wrote:Interesting, I can think of a lot nicer stations in the region than Porirua!
Agree, but upgrade did make quite a difference to the look and feel of the place and that's what the award was about.

eurokiwi78 wrote:And also a lot worse. Id like to see a covered walkway between Porirua Station and the Shopping Mall for those not so nice days.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Flippikat » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:52 pm

Lots of services replaced by trains this weekend:

http://www.tranzmetro.co.nz/Detail.aspx ... d6ecb08c1c

Easy to see why Jville replacements are running, given the final training for Matangi switchover.. and the Kiwirail web site mentions a bit about replacing the wooden poles on the Kapiti line, so I assume that's why those train services are off.

Does anyone know why the Hutt Line is closed this weekend? I'm guessing it's much the same as the reasons for the Kapiti line being out of action, right?
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby scooter » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:59 pm

I know its been a while since it actually happened - but whats the reason with clearing out the area between the NIMT lines and the up Hutt line?
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby grunter » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:02 pm

Flippikat wrote:Lots of services replaced by trains this weekend:

http://www.tranzmetro.co.nz/Detail.aspx ... d6ecb08c1c

Easy to see why Jville replacements are running, given the final training for Matangi switchover.. and the Kiwirail web site mentions a bit about replacing the wooden poles on the Kapiti line, so I assume that's why those train services are off.

Does anyone know why the Hutt Line is closed this weekend? I'm guessing it's much the same as the reasons for the Kapiti line being out of action, right?


Hutt Valley Line is mainly destressing work, and the Johnsonville line is slip and hill side stabilisation work. As with any block of line, the chance will be taken to tackle other less urgent jobs that have been waiting for a trainless day.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby grunter » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:04 pm

mclgnd wrote:I know its been a while since it actually happened - but whats the reason with clearing out the area between the NIMT lines and the up Hutt line?


It was were the ballast and sleepers removed from tunnel 2 during the Christmas project was tipped from the work trains to trucks for transport away
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby scooter » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:12 pm

grunter wrote:
mclgnd wrote:I know its been a while since it actually happened - but whats the reason with clearing out the area between the NIMT lines and the up Hutt line?


It was were the ballast and sleepers removed from tunnel 2 during the Christmas project was tipped from the work trains to trucks for transport away


Thanks. That makes sense. I never went along Hutt Road over that period so never saw it in action. Guess it will be used again when the other tracks in tunnels 1 & 2 get done?
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Daniel » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:34 pm

Article in the Dominion-Post about people trying to save Tawa station:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/6766516/Historic-stations-future-in-doubt?
Tawa people are likely to fight a plan to demolish their historic railway station.

A Tawa community board meeting last Thursday night was told by the Wellington Regional Council that the 1937 building was likely to be replaced with a modern railway shelter.

Extensive water damage and years of neglect have caused major structural damage.

Replacing the station would cost about $600,000 and take up to three months, whereas restoration of the old building would cost at least $1.5 million and take 18 months.

Tawa commuters surveyed this week showed most supported restoration.

Maggie Love pointed out the importance of the historic building in the Tawa community.

"There's not many [historic] buildings left in Tawa – it's sad. Either way it's going to cost the taxpayer," Ms Love said.

But retired Tawa woman Doris Kebbell said the building was past the point of being able to be restored. "We might as well do it if it needs replacing as it has to last for years," Ms Kebbell said.

Tawa Historical Society chairman Bruce Murray said the railway station recalled a bygone era when rail was king and communities fought to have access to it.

"If such station buildings disappear, our region loses something that will never be replaced," Mr Murray said.

"We have noted the extremely positive response following the renovation and preservation of the Plimmerton Railway Station, and would like to see a similar solution seriously canvassed in Tawa." Wellington city councillor and Tawa resident Ngaire Best said she would love the building to remain.

"I would be keen to get feedback from local community as to what their thoughts are, whether 18 months is too long to even allow us to consider rebuilding the existing building or if we are going to have to look at a more pragmatic approach." Ms Best said.

Tawa's last mayor, from 1987 to 1989, and New Zealand Historic Places Trust central region area co-ordinator, David Watt, said that although the building was not registered in the New Zealand Historic Places Trust national register or listed on the Wellington City Council district plan, it was of some historical importance.

"I would hope the Tawa Community Board will respond strongly advocating the retention of the building as have other local authorities in the Wellington region," Mr Watt said.

Wellington regional councillor Peter Glensor said the building was in very bad repair and might be beyond the point of no return.

He said that if public opinion was strongly in favour of keeping the building and the community was willing to raise some of the funds, the council might concede but because of the costs, engineering risks and time involved, it was unlikely.

At this stage the engineers had not spent the $50,000 that would be required to do a thorough check of the building.

"We are very worried about lifting it up to review the piles and foundations as there is a real fear the building would disintegrate. We regard it as an extremely bad option. When the public are talking about it, it is important they are aware of that," Mr Glensor said.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby scooter » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:43 pm



Tell those you want it restored that they'll have to be paying for it and not everyone else as well and that'll change their tune.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby Daniel » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:57 pm

mclgnd wrote:
Daniel wrote:Article in the Dominion-Post about people trying to save Tawa station:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/6766516/Historic-stations-future-in-doubt?


Tell those you want it restored that they'll have to be paying for it and not everyone else as well and that'll change their tune.
I'm assuming you meant to say: "Tell those who want it restored..."

I'm certainly not in favour of restoring a structure I don't find particularly attractive.
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Re: Rail upgrades

Postby pcuser42 » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:04 pm

Daniel wrote:I'm certainly not in favour of restoring a structure I don't find particularly attractive.


...but isn't that part of the reason something is restored?
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