kaiwhara wrote:Thats nice, any particular reason that the post had to be written in capitals? And what does this have to do with the subject at hand?DFT7008 wrote:I WENT ON THIS YESTERDAY WITH DXB 5097 as the loco
duddley wrote:The capitals cleary mean he was excited!kaiwhara wrote:Thats nice, any particular reason that the post had to be written in capitals? And what does this have to do with the subject at hand?DFT7008 wrote:I WENT ON THIS YESTERDAY WITH DXB 5097 as the loco
cle wrote:Be good to maybe hear how full it was?
Could you tell if the passengers were regular, or were there some other ad hoc ones like yourself?
kaiwhara wrote:Thats nice, any particular reason that the post had to be written in capitals? And what does this have to do with the subject at hand?
PBYCatalina wrote:With the Capital Connection losing $300,000 per year and about to be pulled.
Bums on seats may save train
In a bleak sign for its future, one of the Capital Connection's keenest supporters admits it could be difficult to get more people on the train.
And operator KiwiRail has ruled out offering shuttle services between Palmerston North and Waikanae if the service is derailed.
Palmerston North MP Iain Lees-Galloway made his comment after KiwiRail released the latest passenger stats for the daily Wellington-to-Palmerston North commuter train which first ran in 1991.
The figures showed that between November and February, the average number of passengers catching the service dropped by as much as 380 a week in December 2011 compared with December 2010.
The November comparison showed a drop of 236. Despite a fare increase late last year, the train was still running at a loss, although state-owned enterprise KiwiRail refuses to say what the loss is.
The Capital Connection doesn't get any government subsidies and has faced an uncertain future since Wellington metro services expanded to Waikanae in February last year.
KiwiRail said it was considering closing the service if passenger numbers didn't get back on track or if the service didn't get a subsidy.
"The situation at the moment is we need to see what those numbers are in terms of how many more passengers need to be getting on board," Mr Lees-Galloway said.
"It's going to be very difficult to grow the passenger numbers on the Capital Connection because the service is so limited – you need to be travelling at precisely the times the services going down and back depart. I don't think there's any way of significantly increasing passenger numbers with the Capital Connection in the form it's in at the moment." Mr Lees-Galloway again floated the possibility of a shuttle rail service between Waikanae and Palmerston North – something KiwiRail says is not viable.
Yesterday, its passenger general manager Deborah Hume said it had considered running a railcar service between Palmerston North and Waikanae but "this was even less commercially viable than the Capital Connection".
She said if the train was scrapped, a bus service between Waikanae and Palmerston North, working in with train departures on the Wellington metro service, could be the most cost-efficient option.
After the Capital Connection was effectively put on trial last year, KiwiRail was now in a position to assess the impact of the Waikanae extension. Dr Hume did not say exactly how long KiwiRail would absorb the service's losses, but said if passenger numbers didn't increase over the "coming months", action would need to be taken.
Capital Connection average weekly passenger numbers
November 2010: 3533 November 2011: 3297
December 2010: 3033 December 2011: 2650
January 2011: 2820 January 2012: 2571
February 2011: 2500 February 2012: 3357
- © Fairfax NZ New
geoff_184 wrote:Silver Ferns ruled out. It's the existing train, or a bus. I'm still say the whole "threat" is really about KR seeking a subsidy, and the "loss" is likely arrived at through tweaked accounting.
geoff_184 wrote:The February 2012 figure looks good to me, unless the paper transposed them?
Proposed PMR/WLG Timetable
TOL CCN CCN CCN TOL
PMR 0620 1140 1500 1635
WAI 0730 1250 1610 1700
WLG 0823 .... 1713 1810
WLG 0725 0902 .... 1725 1925
WAI 0825 0950 1255 1818
PMR 0945 1100 1405 1928
john-ston wrote:Although the Silver Fern was only analysed as a Waikanae to Palmerston North run. How about as a Palmerston North to Wellington run, as a Levin to Wellington run, or as a Levin to Waikanae run?
PBYCatalina wrote:lets say the capital connection has been losing money and there was a large sum of additional funding required or else it would be pulled. What would be the argumetns if any for the Councils and NZTA throwing extra cash at the service?
I cant see Horizons and GW getting into bed to provide a subsidy somehow.
tuktuk wrote:2. Ask to be able to engage a third party for an alternative pricing proposal for the hook-and-tow locomotive. I understand that Steam Incorporated have two Das that might just fit the bill. Remember that with the right maintenance, diesel engines can last indefinitely. It is the locomotive chassis frames that determine the life of the locomotive and Steam Incorporated's Das' frames should be in pretty good nick. There has been talk that KR want to release the DX regularly rostered for this service to the South Island so it may actually suit them. There is talk that KR are charging freight rates also for locomotives. Therefore it may well be best for all to release this locomotive for freight use.
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