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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby Chris Randal. » Tue May 29, 2012 6:57 pm

john-ston wrote:I am going to beg to differ.


So differ and shut up for all our sakes!
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby geoff_184 » Tue May 29, 2012 8:21 pm

john-ston wrote:A read through the Main Highways Board reports from the 1930s would show you they were still making a big fuss over metalling the road network, let alone concreting or sealing it.


Wellington's streets were sealed, and the age of the car was well underway by the 1930's. The main road up the coast, to Plimmerton, Paekakariki etc was also sealed. The track over the Rimutaka's was still metalled, but more importantly, most cars couldn't even get over the ranges without overheating. It just wasn't a practical route for most cars, so if you wanted to go to Wellington, the train was the only real option for most people.

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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby scooter » Tue May 29, 2012 9:32 pm

geoff_184 wrote:
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby Chris Randal. » Tue May 29, 2012 10:48 pm

That kink in the tracks is an adequate and distinctive cue.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby greenwelly » Wed May 30, 2012 1:47 pm

...as is the big "Majestic" sign hanging off a building

But, getting back to the original topic,. it looks like NZTA have now officially decided to not fund this, so it will be interesting to see what the councils come up with.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7013599/Capital-Connection-rescue-package-rejected

Capital Connection rescue package rejected
The New Zealand Transport Agency has scotched a proposed rescue package that could have saved the threatened Capital Connection rail service.

Yesterday Horizons Regional Council agreed to pursue a three-way funding proposal with Greater Wellington regional council and NZTA that would have required the three organisations to split the service's estimated $435,000 shortfall.

The KiwiRail-operated commuter service between Wellington and Palmerston North has been losing money since the capital's Tranz Metro service was extended to Waikanae in February last year.

NZTA central regional director Jenny Chetwynd said about 150 commuters got on and off the train between Palmerston North and Waikanae every day.

That was not enough to fulfil the agency's requirements for investment, as it did not relieve traffic congestion.

"We don't think it's fair to expect the motorist and ratepayer to subsidise approximately 150 passengers to travel by rail to the annual tune of $2770 each when we understand a commercially viable coach service could be provided, at no cost to the motorist or ratepayer, to get passengers to Waikanae, where they can pick up an already subsidised metro rail service into Wellington."

NZTA was encouraging both councils to promote a fully commercial coach service as a more cost effective solution.

Horizons chairman Bruce Gordon said that, if the Capital Connection was discontinued, alternatives would be explored.

"We don't want commuters left in the lurch and, if we are unsuccessful in maintaining the Capital Connection, then other services need to be looked into."
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby locost_bryan » Wed May 30, 2012 2:08 pm

Which coach service provides laptop power points, tables, a servery, bar and toilets? And which metro rail service provides them? Pure Sir Humphrey!. :roll:
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby duddley » Wed May 30, 2012 6:49 pm

How many passengers did the service lose when the wires were extended?. If the train is suddenly losing 2 grand a day they would of needed to lose atleast 50 passengers each way at $20 per trip as the service used to return a profit?. It sounds like KR may have done some creative accounting.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby pickle » Wed May 30, 2012 7:22 pm

I agree. This really is a serious issue. Nathan Guy and others need to be doing their job, which is advocating for the needs of their community.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby eurokiwi78 » Wed May 30, 2012 8:23 pm

The s cars currently used on the service may need some deferred maintenance catch up spending perhaps?

Or, with the AK cars displacing the overlander cars a push to eliminate non graduated release passenger vehicles from the network which would require the retrofitting expense on the capitals s cars.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby kaiwhara » Thu May 31, 2012 6:12 pm

Tonight's Capital Connection along with tommorow mornings return are both cancelled due to the failure of the Generator onboard the AG Van...
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby geoff_184 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:44 am

So $8,721.00 per day to operate. Would be good to see a breakdown of where that expenditure goes.

Capital Connection losses worse than thought

Manawatu Standard
Jimmy Ellingham
01/06/2012


The Capital Connection was losing money before it started losing passengers to Wellington metro trains, revised figures show.

The revelation could provide food for thought for people debating the train's future.

Since the capital city's metro trains expanded to Waikanae in February last year, passenger numbers on the once-daily Palmerston North to Wellington service have fallen.

Until recently, KiwiRail wouldn't reveal the exact state of the train's books.

But last year its passenger general manager Deb Hume told the Manawatu Standard the train had been losing money since the opening of the metro extension.

It was assumed the train was profitable before that.

Now, after discovering a mistake in its accounting practices, KiwiRail has found that for much of 2010 the Capital Connection was losing money.

For the year, it made a loss of about $130,000 – making a loss for seven months and a profit for five months.

It was particularly successful in the March to June period, with passenger numbers peaking at 16,927 in March 2010. Even then, profit for the month was only $2936.

Since October 2010, the train has lost money every month, with the largest loss being about $84,000 in January this year.

A report on the Capital Connection, released to the Manawatu Standard by KiwiRail, sheds light on what happened.

It said overheads were wrongly allocated to the profitable Tranz Alpine service, while there were "other irregularities in allocation of some operating costs".

Because of that, the Capital Connection was considered to be profitable.

"Redressing these inequities means that we now have a clearer view of the true expenses generated by the Capital Connection," the report says.

"[We] know it is running at a loss."

During May 2012, the cost of keeping the train on the rails was $200,595.

The 15,476 people who caught it provided $173,327 revenue – a shortfall of $27,000.

The Horizons and Greater Wellington regional councils are now considering if there is a case for ratepayer money to prop up the train, after the NZ Transport Agency decided it would not contribute any subsidy.

Horizons chairman Bruce Gordon said the new figures required further study.

He said ticket prices on the train – which were increased last year – did not appear to have kept pace with costs.

"They've got to do small increases regularly to recoup the costs. They've never done that and they're so far behind now."

The councils are considering providing a bus service between Palmerston North and Waikanae to link with metro trains.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby Johnny T » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:12 pm

Ah. Excessive cost allocation to make a part of the business look unprofitable. Nice one Kiwirail.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby geoff_184 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:30 pm

Capital Connection trainservice 'unviable'

Jimmy Ellingham
02/06/2012


The NZ Transport Agency has explained its decision not to fund the Capital Connection, saying it would not be a wise use of public money.

This week the agency dealt a blow to the Wellington-to-Palmerston North commuter train's already bleak future when it announced it would not contribute toward its estimated $500,000 annual shortfall.

Horizons and Greater Wellington regional councils are considering their options, but the chances of them forking out so much money to prop up an unprofitable service are slim.

KiwiRail figures show about 15,000 people travel on the train each month.

In contrast, 13 times more people catch the regular Wellington-to-Wairarapa train services that the transport agency does give money to.

Agency regional director Jenny Chetwynd said patronage on the Capital Connection was trending in the wrong direction, whereas the Wairarapa services were growing.

"We wouldn't be investing public money wisely if we sunk it into the Capital Connection," Ms Chetwynd said.

"The Capital Connection is a commercial service that has become unviable."

She did not say how much the agency gave to the Wairarapa trains.

Horizons chairman Bruce Gordon was philosophical about the explanation and said his council's efforts must focus on either finding a way to keep the train or set up a bus service to connect with Wellington metro trains at Waikanae.

The Capital Connection has been on borrowed time since the metro services extended to Waikanae in February last year, but revised figures show the train was losing money before then.

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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby Callum » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:14 am

That sounds fair enough - the Wairarapa Connection is a public service set up by the GWRC, while the Capital Connection is a commercial service run by Tranz Scenic all themselves. I don't see why public money should be used to subsidise a commercial service so KiwiRail can profit from it. That's just my opinion though.

If council money is going to be poured into the Capital Connection, maybe it's time it became council-owned...
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby pickle » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:25 am

Calum, the Wairarapa Connection is not council owned either. It operates as a service by Tranz Metro who collect subsidies and profit from it. Tranz Metro is another division of Kiwi Rail. They were split up because Tranz Metro was supposed to be for the subsidised services while Tranz Scenic for the commericial services. If the Capital Connection does get a subsidy then we may see it moved to become a Tranz Metro service.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby kaiwhara » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:40 am

Actually, it is, or at least all of its rolling stock is owned by GWRL - part of GWRC. The only passenger stock owned locally by Kiwirail are the Locomotives that haul the train, and the Capital Connection and Overander Stock.

pickle wrote:Calum, the Wairarapa Connection is not council owned either. It operates as a service by Tranz Metro who collect subsidies and profit from it. Tranz Metro is another division of Kiwi Rail. They were split up because Tranz Metro was supposed to be for the subsidised services while Tranz Scenic for the commericial services. If the Capital Connection does get a subsidy then we may see it moved to become a Tranz Metro service.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby pickle » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:29 am

Point taken. But the fact remains that Tranz Metro are still profiting out of it.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby grunter » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:45 am

pickle wrote:Point taken. But the fact remains that Tranz Metro are still profiting out of it.


All fare revenue from Tranz Metro services is collected for and paid to GWRC, via Metlink. That is why Metlink can set the fares and dictate what special fares are availible, and when. Kiwirail, via Tranz Metro is just the contracted operator, with the added addition that for the Wairarapa service there is also a "hook and tow" part. GWRC own all the EMU's, the EMU depot and all the SW rolling stock. Inaddition they also own ALL the station platforms and most of the buildings. (I think the only ones they dont are Wellington (Tenths Trust), Materton (Kiwirail) and Paekakariki and Carterton (local respective community groups)
Tranz Metro only make a profit from the Wairarapa services in that they are paid an agreed rate to operate it for the owner.

Incidently, the hook and tow contract only requires a DC as minimum on each service. Kiwirail can subsitute a higher HP loco for its operational conveince, but GWRC will only pay for a DC.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby kaiwhara » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:44 am

Hence why 1606 has been getting a double DC lately, as the extra HP is required for 645 coming back, yet GWRC only pay for one, but get the time advantage of having 2 on its busiest PM peak service!

grunter wrote:Incidently, the hook and tow contract only requires a DC as minimum on each service. Kiwirail can subsitute a higher HP loco for its operational conveince, but GWRC will only pay for a DC.
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Re: Capital Connection Possibly Under Threat

Postby pcuser42 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:01 pm

kaiwhara wrote:Hence why 1606 has been getting a double DC lately, as the extra HP is required for 645 coming back, yet GWRC only pay for one, but get the time advantage of having 2 on its busiest PM peak service!

grunter wrote:Incidently, the hook and tow contract only requires a DC as minimum on each service. Kiwirail can subsitute a higher HP loco for its operational conveince, but GWRC will only pay for a DC.


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