robincole wrote:Assuming that Wairarapa Trains are subsidised, the Capital Connection should get some sort of subsidy.Masterton and Levin are a similar distance from Wellington, they're both comuter trains.
Well that's up to the regional councils to agree on, and there's been no talk of that.robincole wrote:Assuming that Wairarapa Trains are subsidised, the Capital Connection should get some sort of subsidy.Masterton and Levin are a similar distance from Wellington, they're both comuter trains.
Daniel wrote:Well that's up to the regional councils to agree on, and there's been no talk of that.robincole wrote:Assuming that Wairarapa Trains are subsidised, the Capital Connection should get some sort of subsidy.Masterton and Levin are a similar distance from Wellington, they're both comuter trains.
Anything much over an hour. Otaki would be a stretch for suburban stock but could be possible.eurokiwi78 wrote:Cancellation of the service might cause people to start asking for the wires to be extended from Waikanae to Otaki. Although where does a suburban service become a regional service. And how far before a greater level of comfort is required, ie toilets.
eurokiwi78 wrote:Cancellation of the service might cause people to start asking for the wires to be extended from Waikanae to Otaki. Although where does a suburban service become a regional service. And how far before a greater level of comfort is required, ie toilets.
Yep, those were the sort of railcars I had in mind ...duddley wrote:Why not just use the Ferns on the Capital Connection which will probably be cheaper to operate, this would leave the Ferns still available for the weekend excursions through the gorge etc
Let's be honest here: they were already pushing not having any toilets to Paraparaumu.keg wrote:Anything much over an hour. Otaki would be a stretch for suburban stock but could be possible.
Rough estimate would be ~10min for Waikanae - Otaki with a unit (based on knocking a couple of minutes off the CC time due to better acceleration, shorter station dwell, etc). That would give 1hr6 express & 1hr10 all stations based on existing timings. Might be able to cut a few more minutes by exclusively using Matangis up the coast and taking advantage of their improved performance over the Ganz.
Logically they should be, and I think they once were.robincole wrote:Yes I thought the Wairarapa was a region in it's own right, you learn something every day.
Daniel wrote:I know it's timetabled to take 55 minutes between Wellington to Paraparaumu but it's really often more than an hour. If it's financially justifiable, I can imagine in the future services to/from Kapiti and the Wairarapa having their own class of carriages/trains with on-board toilets.
Capital Connection may be shut down
JIMMY ELLINGHAM
Manawatu Standard
29/10/2011
In a bleak sign for the future of the Capital Connection rail service, KiwiRail says the service may cease.
Fares on the once-a-day Wellington to Palmerston North commuter train will rise on Tuesday, but operator KiwiRail's passenger general manager Deb Hume said an extra 38 passengers a day were required to make the service break even.
Until Wellington metro services were extended to Waikanae in February, the train was profitable.
But since then it has been losing money as passengers take the more regular metro trains instead.
About 630 people now catch the Capital Connection every day, down from 708 a year ago.
KiwiRail refuses to say how much the service loses, a stance Palmerston North MP Iain Lees-Galloway has criticised.
This week Ms Hume said passenger numbers on the service would be monitored, but she didn't say how long KiwiRail would wait until it was forced to act.
"If measures don't attract more passengers and counteract our losses, we will start discussion with key stakeholders on other options, and this could include options such as subsiding or closing the service."
Neither Horizons nor the Greater Wellington Regional Council has been formally asked to spend ratepayers' money on the train.
There may be little appetite from Greater Wellington, which will this financial year pour $37 million into Wellington metro services.
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