Jonthekiwi wrote:OK I know you guys enjoy going off on tangents..but let's keep this thread to the issue. If the current Govt gets in again then you can kiss good bye to about 700kms of the rail network (which costs around 10 million to leave open). But will get 12 billion worth of roads on not key routes of NZ.
robincole wrote:Can we assume you are all for mothballing them, John-ston?
kos wrote:Reality is these lines will closes unless they can carry more freight........does anyone know of other freight traffic these lines could carry?
john-ston wrote:robincole wrote:Can we assume you are all for mothballing them, John-ston?
Yes, I am in favour of mothballing. One of the biggest mistakes that past governments made was not only closing the branch line network but also ripping up the tracks. Some of those branch lines could have well been re-opened had the tracks been left in place.
john-ston wrote:The North Auckland Line is built on the wrong alignment and thus a truck can ship freight between Auckland and Whangarei in half the time the train does
geoff_184 wrote:Yet railway lines on direct routes fare no better, and some are worse.
geoff_184 wrote:Having a shorter route would save dollars in terms of operating costs and track maintenance, but wouldn't actually attract much additional freight. What extra freight it does attract, it will do by passing on those savings, not by offering faster times. Of course this scenario would only apply on the basis that the new line construction doesn't have to be paid back. If it did, the burden would kill off KiwiRail.
john-ston wrote:Remember, an increase in journey times by a mere few hours saw the share of freight on rail on the Auckland to Christchurch route take a sharp nosedive.
Meadowbank Station wrote:This line wont be closed. The Labour government had an abysmal ability to negotiate with big commercial interests . That is why the taxpayers paid so much for something that Toll wanted to get rid of . They could have got a bargain at a fraction of the price.
What a load of absolute poppycock. You're either a liar, in delusion or completely clueless.Meadowbank Station wrote:National have only been in 5 minutes and so far the network continues to be improved.
None of this has anything to do with anything not even whether the last Labour were good at negotiating with big commercial interests.Meadowbank Station wrote:Look at our new navy bathtubs. The army Lav and the job they did to get rid of the Sky hawks and MAC trainers.
geoff_184 wrote:Auckland-Christchurch is greater than overnight delivery, so every minute counts. Time only becomes an issue beyond overnight delivery.
john-ston wrote:In this day and age with Just in Time, and the like, every minute counts no matter what the delivery window.
geoff_184 wrote:Internal supply chains are not relevant to rail or linehaul trucking. Rail and linehaul trucking focus on fixed schedules, primarily overnight.
geoff_184 wrote:As I've pointed out before, the trucking companies all offer overnight delivery between Auckland and Whangarei. None of them offer anything less than 12 hours, and in fact they advise that you should allow for two to three days. Rail isn't any slower no matter how much you insist that it is.
john-ston wrote:Again, a truck does Whangarei to Auckland in three hours. Rail takes seven.
geoff_184 wrote:By comparison, one of the most successful rail routes in the country, Auckland-Tauranga, is 15% further than the main road route.
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