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Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:35 pm

There is a set of maps here which covers between 1973 and present day.
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The main source used is the 1973 aerial photography of Christchurch updated with 2009 GE imagery. Between 1973 and 2009 hasn't been checked yet.

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Starting out from Hornby, the full layout of Hornby yard has not yet been drawn so this does not show all the sidings in Hornby yard. The site shown as accessed from Chappie Place is now occupied by Mitre 10 Mega recently built.

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Coming across Amyes Road and we have the first siding onto the west side. 41 Shands Road, which I understand may have been the Crown Crystal Glass factory. The original building depicted here seems to have been replaced in the last 2-3 years. The siding leg on the west side of the main also starts about here.

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Carrying on south and we have quite a few sidings.
On the west side, a cluster of buildings one of which identified as "Laminex" in 1973, and which appeared to have two separate sidings. The buildings were all demolished in 2007 or early 2008 and Seymour Street was built through part of the site.
85 Shands Road had quite a long siding running along the Laminex boundary, crossing what is now Seymour St and splitting into three outside the buildings. The historical name of the premises not clear at this time (Quail shows "Certified Concrete" in the general area). Some track still remains in the premises.
United Empire Box Co had a siding running along their railway perimeter. The buildings shown still exist today with the full name of the company prominently visible on the roof.

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The historical name of the premises at 650 Halswell Junction Road is not known at this time.
84-94 Branston St is currently occupied by several transport firms including Pullans Transport, TWT Holdings and RW Transport among others.
96 Branston St is currently occupied by Halls Transport and is one of only two sidings appearing to be in use at the present time.
The siding leg ends in a backshunt just before the Halswell Junction Road crossing.

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Just past Halswell Junction Road are two premises on the east side. Vibrapac was the original occupier of the site with a now-demolished building with a siding.
Toll is a more recent premises with a different siding which splits into two roads and runs up almost to the edge of Columba Ave. It appears to be disused at the present time.

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The well known Watties siding is the other currently in use siding and effectively the end of the line for operational purposes. The curved road and its parallel track were not part of the 1973 layout.

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Close to the Marshs Road crossing the current operational end of line is reached with a heap of dirt. There is a commercial premises on the west side but this does not appear to have ever had a siding.

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A cycleway has now been opened on the west side of the line between Marshs Road and Springs Road. Track is still in place although overgrown, including a small bridge in the section.

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The track ends near the Springs Road crossing. Prebbleton yard just to the south was redeveloped as housing in recent years. The road overbridge was demolished sometime around 1998.

My computer seems not to be able to display the images inline but you can view them by clicking on the thumbnails. Oddly, Facebook seems to be able to display them OK.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:37 pm

Now the question is, how many of those sidings are in use today?

As I note I only saw two: Halls Transport and Watties that appeared to have wagons in them and be clean and free of growth. Some of the other sidings appeared intact but much overgrown.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby MacRiada » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:18 pm

The line is going to be cut back this year for the Southern motorway, even if it was meant to be protected for possible commuter rail (to a new Prebbleton station at site of the former Springs Road crossing).
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:48 pm

MacRiada wrote:The line is going to be cut back this year for the Southern motorway, even if it was meant to be protected for possible commuter rail (to a new Prebbleton station at site of the former Springs Road crossing).


Isn't that absolutely ridiculous. Cutting a rail line off because they don't want to build an overbridge.
Whereabouts is the motorway going through?
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby eurokiwi78 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:59 pm

Seems par for the course umfortunately, the rotorua council had a similar situation with lake road widening & the mothballed rail line.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby locost_bryan » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:52 am

Kahukowhai wrote:
MacRiada wrote:The line is going to be cut back this year for the Southern motorway, even if it was meant to be protected for possible commuter rail (to a new Prebbleton station at site of the former Springs Road crossing).


Isn't that absolutely ridiculous. Cutting a rail line off because they don't want to build an overbridge.
Whereabouts is the motorway going through?

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/southernmotorway2/docs/csm2-map.pdf
Zoom into location "O" Marshs Rd/Springs Rd. The project includes building a curve at the end of the Hornby line, to give enough length for shunts to the two sidings (Watties?).
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Gerald Petrie » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:17 pm

I'll start with Halls. This siding has been lifted.
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The photo above was taken in August last year.

It started when Toll sold Tranzlink Refrigerated to Halls. Halls then concentrated their operation at Islington which is beside the railway but does not yet have a siding. Consequently the Branston Street site was put up for sale, and I understand it did sell.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:45 pm

locost_bryan wrote:
Kahukowhai wrote:
MacRiada wrote:The line is going to be cut back this year for the Southern motorway, even if it was meant to be protected for possible commuter rail (to a new Prebbleton station at site of the former Springs Road crossing).


Isn't that absolutely ridiculous. Cutting a rail line off because they don't want to build an overbridge.
Whereabouts is the motorway going through?

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/southernmotorway2/docs/csm2-map.pdf
Zoom into location "O" Marshs Rd/Springs Rd. The project includes building a curve at the end of the Hornby line, to give enough length for shunts to the two sidings (Watties?).


The siding on the left is the Watties one. As far as I know there isn't actually one on the right at the location shown. I am guessing that is now the curved backshunt that will be needed to get in and out of that siding, instead of the longer straight piece that ends close to Marshs Road, which will be chopped.

It looks to me as though I should get on my bike and go down there on Saturday to get some pictures because the cutoff part is probably all going to be lifted and turned into cycleway. If that hasn't happened already. Even further along where the cycleway has been built alongside the track, that track is all going to get ripped up. There is a neat little bridge I would like to get a picture of.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:14 pm

Goodness me Gerald, you should be putting all these photos into Flickr albums.

Mine are here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/enzedrail/

The set for the Hornby Industrial line, 1987-2012 so far
http://www.flickr.com/photos/enzedrail/sets/72157634941346738/

Here are some for Hornby/Sockburn

http://www.flickr.com/photos/enzedrail/sets/72157633890474571/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/enzedrail/sets/72157634941319868/

(once upon a time I actually did get opportunities to bike around and take lots of photos of the sidings, thousands of them. Those were the days...)
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:47 pm

Well I made it work. So here is the S&I diagram for the HIL.

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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:47 pm

Some images of the HIL

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This is what Prebbleton yard looked like in 2005.

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Prebbleton in 2012. Part of the area was already developed and built at this time. The streets all have clever names like Stationmasters Way, Platform Way, Siding Lane, Pointsman Place etc.

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Prebbleton in 1998.

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Prebbleton in 1987.

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End of the line in 2005. Unsure if these premises ever had a siding, not showing one on the plans as no info on it.

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S1_20050514_079 by enzedrail, on Flickr

What was left of the Vibrapac siding in 2005, with the Toll siding just beyond it.

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A telephoto shot from HJ Rd crossing looking north. Many sidings were located in this area.

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1998 view of the actual end of the operational section at that time. The rest of the line to Springs Road was still fairly tidy at that time. The land was expected to be sold to adjoining landowners. This did not happen when the government changed the following year and probably put an end to these land sales.

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The mothballed section up to Springs Road in 1998. The premises in the background (then Polarcold) would apparently have loaded here, but not on a separate siding, as the shelter suggests.

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Under the bridge in 1987. The tracksets were lifted to prevent anything from "escaping" from Prebbleton. it was well known that jiggers were being run up towards Hornby at times. The track was reinstated a year or so later when NZR seized the rolling stock and hauled it off to Linwood due to non-payment of site fees. The bridge was demolished around 1998.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Gerald Petrie » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:53 am

Below is a drawing of Certified Concrete (Christchurch) Ltd private siding at 1m 2ch from Hornby zero peg.
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The siding was built for one purpose; to supply ballast to NZR. In the file there is a long memo by the Resident Engineer justifying the need for this siding and an outside source of ballast. The formation for the siding was being worked on in September 1948, and the turnout was installed on October 19th of that year. The siding was declared ready for traffic 16 March 1949. It was 32 chains long. On 23 April 1971 an NZR Manager discovered what the local gangers already knew; that the siding had been lifted back to the boundary fence. He immediately ordered that the points be spiked, only to be told they had been spiked sometime earlier. A letter was written to Certified Concrete for an explanation. "We have not used the siding for about three years". Consent was given to lift the turnout on 22 September 1971, and this had been done by 9 February 1972.

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There are precious few White's Aviation shots of the Hornby Industrial Branch. This one I have cropped hard; it is dated May 1964. I've included it as the Certified Concrete siding can be made out, and half way along is the crusher and bins. It is interesting as the formation would have been at a similar location to, if not the same, as the future RFL (Tranzlink Refrigerated/Halls) private siding. Certified Concrete always gave their address as being Springs Road, and in the photo Branston Street is only half its final length. It stops short of the quarry, which at some point had to be filled in.

Here's a better shot. There's at least five private sidings in the photo. The date is two years exactly before the shot above i.e. May 1962.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:58 pm

I'm using the Canterbury Maps aerial photography of 1973. Plenty of detail in there.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:27 pm

Have a look at this one, has it got the detail?

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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Gerald Petrie » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:07 am

Kahukowhai wrote:I'm using the Canterbury Maps aerial photography of 1973. Plenty of detail in there.


I imagine you've already seen this website http://www.vcbrowne.com

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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Gerald Petrie » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:49 am

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Private parties were compelled to pay for the installation of the private siding loop. Crown Crystal contributed 25% of the cost as did Goss Timber and Box Company Ltd (William Goss). The loop was installed by June 1951 when it is said Crown Crystal began using their first siding. This headed in a northerly direction and is referred to in correspondence as the 'East Siding'. In 1960-61 Crown Crystal tried to buy William Goss's siding and land, for their 'new expansion'. This fell through, and Crown Crystal built a second siding, which left the private siding loop just south of their existing turnout in 1963. Easements had to be obtained before the siding could be laid. This was always referred to in early correspondence as the 'Hygrade Siding'.

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The nearest turnout is Crown Crystal's 'East Siding'. The next turnout further back is the 'Hygrade Packaging Siding'.

I don't pretend to know everything about the corporate structure of Crown Crystal Pty Ltd, but here is what little I know. In 1962 there was a name change of the parent company to Wyndham Street Properties Pty Ltd. Head Office was Melbourne. NZR was advised of another name change in October 1971. Alex Harvey Industries (AHI) now owned both sidings, Crown Crystal and Hygrade Packaging. The file I read stops in 1976, however I've always known the Hygrade siding as the Printpac siding. Perhaps someone else knows more about this corporate change and when exactly it took place.

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As Patrick has already said, the remains of this siding can be seen from the newly constructed Seymour Street.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:03 pm

Gerald Petrie wrote:
Kahukowhai wrote:I'm using the Canterbury Maps aerial photography of 1973. Plenty of detail in there.


I imagine you've already seen this website http://www.vcbrowne.com

If not; try it out.


The overhead imagery is a lot more use to me as I can trace directly from it.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:07 pm

So here is a go at drawing in Certified Concrete

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Google Earth with the 1973 aerial imagery overlaid on it.

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The map.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Gerald Petrie » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:09 pm

[quote="Kahukowhai"]So here is a go at drawing in Certified Concrete

Google Earth with the 1973 aerial imagery overlaid on it.

You are probably right about the location of the siding. I sincerely doubt Certified would have shifted the crusher and bins, so therefore the siding is in the right place.
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Re: Hornby Industrial Line Sidings

Postby Kahukowhai » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:10 am

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This one comes from 1965, it looks obvious enough.

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1955.

No previous coverage. In 1941 there were no sidings whatsoever along the route as we know it today. it was all open farmland.
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